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« on: January 13, 2010, 10:11:33 AM »

A new approach to China
1/12/2010 03:00:00 PM
Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of varying degrees on a regular basis. In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google. However, it soon became clear that what at first appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was something quite different.

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Could Google actually speed up the move to freedom of information in China?  I love those guys.
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2010, 11:20:26 AM »

well they could have said no to filtering their results in the first place, instead of rolling over as they did.
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2010, 12:12:37 PM »

In response, China will simply block access to all Google IP's.

The other battle that is brewing is Google vs. France. Sarkozy wants to find a way to tax Google revenues attributed to France. My guess is that if Sarkozy implements some sort of law to tax Google, Yahoo, and Bing revenues Google will simply block all French IP's from accessing their service. Bing/Yahoo, on the other hand, may work out some sort of deal in order to capture that market share.

IMHO, it's just another failed Socialist system trying to make up for its own shortcomings by attacking capitalism (see Hugo Chavez). I find it ironic how the Socialist regimes need capitalism to survive.

What will be interesting to see is if the EU gangs up on Google like they did on Microsoft. That could change everything (but probably for the worse).
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2010, 04:06:09 PM »

well they could have said no to filtering their results in the first place, instead of rolling over as they did.

You see it as 'rolling over', they saw it as a compromise and a step in the right direction as they say in the article "increased access to information for people in China and a more open Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results.".  Even if you put your Google hate to one side for a moment the most damning thing you could suggest is that Google's greed is what motivated the censorship, why would they need to roll over for anyone...   If the end result is that there is more freedom of speech and access to information for the average Chinese citizen then who cares what Google's real motivations are.

As for France, I'm sure they'll reach a compromise there too.  Better to have a peice of the pie than none at all and one thing Google aren't is stupid.
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2010, 05:31:37 PM »

all kneel and praise Google.... well, you can if you want


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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2010, 07:01:10 PM »

As for France, I'm sure they'll reach a compromise there too.  Better to have a peice of the pie than none at all and one thing Google aren't is stupid.

Google will never agree on anything that amounts to a tax payment to France or any other country. That would not only open Pandora's Box for Google but also for every web site that sells goods or services internationally.

If I take on an SEO client in France I'm certianly not going to pay any taxes to France. Likewise, if someone from France clicks on an Adsense ad on one of my sites I'm not going to pay France a tax on the 10 cents I make on that click.

Trust me, Google will pull out before paying any sort of tax.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2010, 09:47:44 PM »

all kneel and praise Google.... well, you can if you want




Sigh...  What can I say dave, in a world full of corporations that ruthlessly pursue profit at the expense of the environment, their employees and even their customers, who pollute, murder, scam, bribe politicians and generally act like complete and utter scumbags, I can't help but respect a company that acts ethically and believes that the best way to retain customers is to have a quality product. Imagine...

They're run by a couple of hippies after all.  They got big because their idea was great, but just because they're big doesn't mean that they're bad dave.

Don't mistake me for a blind Google worshiper though, just ask and I'll give you a long long list of companies I despise for their behaviour and would put out of business in a heart beat if I could.
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2010, 10:46:07 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2010, 10:00:23 PM »

I read this yesterday: http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=999101. Looks like Google may sack China off altogether. Good on them I say! Chinese politics is screwed and so far behind the times.

Let China sow the seeds of discontent and then try to cover up another Tienanmen Square!

(obviously another Tienanmen square would be terrible but you know what i mean...)
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2010, 10:22:33 AM »

Yep, looks like Google will pull out mate.  It's ironic that as communists they despise religions and yet they employ a lot of the same techniques that the successful religions use to ensure a following, like the indoctrination of children, the limiting of exposure to information that would cause people to question the way things are, the 'preaching' of their particular doctrine to the exclusion of all else.  Communism in many ways is exactly like a religion except that it doesn't offer the same comfort from fear that religions do and it's based on a mortal authority and not a 'divine' authority which makes it an easier target and that's probably why it failed.

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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2010, 05:19:25 PM »

Maybe they didn't get the profit from adwords in China that they'd hoped for  police
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2010, 11:19:03 PM »

Maybe they didn't get the profit from adwords in China that they'd hoped for  police

Can't rule that out Dave, I might be a huge Google fan but I don't go around wearing rose tinted glasses.  I'd like to believe the best of their motives but time will tell.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2010, 12:20:18 AM »

I don't think Google matters as much in China as an search engine since majority of the people using Baidu, another if google leaves, most of the Chinese internet users won't feel a thing.
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